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I think that some people's disappointment with this movie (as others have said), is because in large part, they're hoping for the traditional Star Trek that they remember.

After seeing the first movie, I realized that for me to be able to enjoy the new series, I could no longer think of the J.J. movies as the Star Trek I'd come to know and love; the two are completely different and separate things in my mind, despite them having the same name. They're just movies designed to cast as wide of a net as possible, in order to bring in the biggest audience and net the most money, without challenging social norms or providing hope for the future, beyond the potential for good looking guys in their early thirties to be sailing through space, representing Earth behind the wheel of a Trillion dollar space ship.

As heart-wrenching as it at first was to come to terms with the fact that the franchise I loved wasn't represented in the reboot, it really has allowed me to enjoy the movies for what they are as opposed to being upset over what they're not... and then I squee a little bit when there's a reference or head-nod to the Star Trek series that I really care about :D

This is also my take-away after seeing I/D. It was the action film I expected with all the drama, emotion and FX.

I wasn't wow-ed by it, but I don't condemn it. I'm still merely taking this "alternate" timeline with a grain of salt, at least for now. It has left me curious enough to see what the next film brings..

Foremost on my mind? We need a new series back on TV.

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My 11-year-old and I agreed that it was a great movie, specifically that it was much better than the first one. We really enjoyed it.

My only complaint was about the cinematography, which I thought was too jumbled, chaotic, and jumpy. But I liked the plot and story a lot. Best movie I've seen in quite a while.

I could have done without them putting Kirk in bed with two alien girls. That made for a fun ride home...

I have to agree with you. I was very skeptical about the movie, especially when I found out before hand about the plot twists, but I really liked where they went with this. It was much better than the first one, which isn't saying much, to be sure.

I'm going to have to disagree with Voleron's assessment of the franchise. It really sounds like you're trying to blame the victims here. The reason why the later Star Trek movies, especially Nemesis, sucked so bad, was just because of the greed of the studios. They didn't want to spend money on good writing, so we got junk. John Logan is such an unimaginative hack, and I knew he was just going to rehash other, better stories, like TWOK. Enterprise was also squarely in the lap of the studio. It's not that fans abandoned it. Remember that for the first season or so, they didn't even want to call it Star Trek so they didn't have to bother with canon.

I think that some people's disappointment with this movie (as others have said), is because in large part, they're hoping for the traditional Star Trek that they remember.

After seeing the first movie, I realized that for me to be able to enjoy the new series, I could no longer think of the J.J. movies as the Star Trek I'd come to know and love; the two are completely different and separate things in my mind, despite them having the same name. They're just movies designed to cast as wide of a net as possible, in order to bring in the biggest audience and net the most money, without challenging social norms or providing hope for the future, beyond the potential for good looking guys in their early thirties to be sailing through space, representing Earth behind the wheel of a Trillion dollar space ship.

As heart-wrenching as it at first was to come to terms with the fact that the franchise I loved wasn't represented in the reboot, it really has allowed me to enjoy the movies for what they are as opposed to being upset over what they're not... and then I squee a little bit when there's a reference or head-nod to the Star Trek series that I really care about :D

I can always justify inconsistencies with the alternate timeline mumbo-jumbo. I just don't take it seriously, and it allows me to be happy with the entertainment, while I wait for a real Star Trek series to make it's way back to TV.




I can almost understand the studio's frustration with the Trek franchise, though. Trekkies and Trekkers are notoriously difficult people to please, so when how many movies (Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis come to mind), which were all met with stiff opposition from the Trek community, and their new television series (Enterprise) was so unsupported by Trek fans to the point that it had to be cancelled, it makes sense for them to have thrown their hands up in exasperation and try to make the franchise appeal to a wider audience. In a sense, it could almost be argued that Star Trek fans have done this to themselves.

In fairness, I also refused to watch Enterprise when it was on TV, so I'm as much to blame as anyone... now a few years later, I've bought and watched the series and enjoyed it immensely. There was a lot of good Trek in that series, but I couldn't let myself see it at the time.

I guess, in conclusion.. go see James Bond: In space (aka: Star Trek), and I think you'll still enjoy it ;)

I feel ya Renegade, I really really really really really don't want to see this movie and I have avoided all efforts by my other "Star Trek" fans to see this but when my grandmother asked me to go with her....well I guess I'll be seeing it tomorrow. I'll just pretend it's a generic science fiction movie with a Heinlein twist.

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Lovin! the gigantic coffee/whiskey cup :)

lol, thanks! It's a "Doctor Who" police call box, otherwise known as a "Tardis", I'm told... I wouldn't know, but it holds a lot of tea for those late night gaming sessions!

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Here's the container for my Gaming Gear:

Very nice! Love the red!

Love the Tardis. I must get one of those. Be great for coffee :)

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Lovin! the gigantic coffee/whiskey cup :)

lol, thanks! It's a "Doctor Who" police call box, otherwise known as a "Tardis", I'm told... I wouldn't know, but it holds a lot of tea for those late night gaming sessions!

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Here's the container for my Gaming Gear:

Very nice! Love the red!

Here's the container for my Gaming Gear:




Please ignore the dead grass...I am redesigning the front yard...

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Here's mine and Traull's setup. He gets squished into the closet, but has a nice setup there ; )

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Lovin! the gigantic coffee/whiskey cup :)

Haha, I just realized that the date on the poster dates me a little :blush:

Woah!! Dave, that's cool :D Love the Video Games Live Poster B)

Twinkle: I love your man-calendar! I need to find one of those :D

Darkaos: Re-link your photos, or upload them to the site via Internet Explorer (Firefox is bugged). They have to be less than 500k to upload, though!

I'm curious to see what everyone's pad looks like!

Here's mine and Traull's setup. He gets squished into the closet, but has a nice setup there ; )

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Can we get the specs written out for the pants/skirts for females? One of the bugs in the tailor doesn't save the settings for female bottom costume pieces in fleet uniforms, it keeps it as whatever you're already wearing.

Extremely excited for the rushes! Bren is doing an amazing job coordinating our missions. Thank you so much for your amazing work and everyone in the guild... amazing teamwork guys!

Thanks for helping me get my bonus chest on Saturday everyone. And thanks Elquin for getting us the extra influence needed for the rush! I cannot wait to start doing these -- I've stumbled upon another guild doing the chicken one and was able to run it with them. It was a lot of fun, and a challenge as well.

It's great, because guildies who have finished can help those still trying to get through by throwing out boons, heals, and distracting enemies :)

An awesome event, everyone good job on it.

Amazing photos Voleron! Thank you so much for posting them!

I got a few shots of the trivial event!



I want to say:



The work you put into put this event together and run it was amazing! Your efforts were a huge success, as well. I've never seen so many Klingons on at once!! All of the events were a lot of fun and I can't wait for our next Klink day!

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Here is a reply to the last persons comment. It has spoilers

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This is what Khan looked like in the original series episode Space Seed



And this is what he looked like in the movie Wrath of Khan



The Into Darkness Khan is meant to be about the same age as the Space Seed Khan, and he looks like this:

He was at least a believable character, but I too would have preferred he look more like the original.

Really? THIS is what they have reduced Trek to? A man having to explain to his 11-year old son why Bill Shatner's wannabe is in bed with two chicks...?? *WTF?*

Gay kids are killing themselves because there isn't a 1966 version of Uhura around for them to prove that you can indeed offer VALUE to a team saving everything; that you can BE SOMETHING other than *just* gay. Whoopie Goldeberg: Mama, mama...! There's a black lady on TV, and she ain't no maid!"

"...hey dad, hey dad...! There's a gay man on TV, and he ain't no dizzy stereotypical queen choking on his lisp!"

Support for this sorry excuse for a Trek movie is just wrong. Star Trek is at its very best when it is making a statement about us as human beings at our worst, and especially, at our best. Sorry if I'm a hater because I don't need a lense flare to make that happen. *INTO DARKNESS* *WEAK ACTION FLICK* ***FAIL***

My 11-year-old and I agreed that it was a great movie, specifically that it was much better than the first one. We really enjoyed it.

My only complaint was about the cinematography, which I thought was too jumbled, chaotic, and jumpy. But I liked the plot and story a lot. Best movie I've seen in quite a while.

I could have done without them putting Kirk in bed with two alien girls. That made for a fun ride home...