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Rasilek

Re: Way to go, Time Magazine.

March 29 2013

Thanks for the discussion, guys. :) I'd say it's a pretty bold cover for a mainstream news magazine any way you look at it. Damn stigma.

And, you can't argue the headline as it bears truth.

But for the more conservative folk, this isn't exactly the image i would have in mind to have a discussion, well it is and it isn't. Nonethless, this week these covers are on every major newsstand in the country.

While i get that not everyone wants kids (i have no plans, personally), it still leaves me uneasy and for them to go this route, but hell, it's a dose of reality and it just might work.

I'll keep the faith on this one. After all, the close of the DOMA hearings still left the bill's supporters without really having much to work with to uphold constitutionality, and there are a lot of other people out there on our side.

Best,
Steve.

Edited March 29 2013 by Rasilek

KBaker

Re: HK-51

March 29 2013

I'd be up for it but of late everytime I'm in tor I feel excluded regardless how many people are on... I'm not comfortable with vent, I'm sure several others are and it feels like in game chat is so often ignored and chat between members is exclusivly vent... Not really good for inspiring those like myself who aren't vent users to be to helpful.

SiranNataan

Re: Way to go, Time Magazine.

March 29 2013

I'm guessing that there are going to be the black plastic flip dealies in front of the magazines at some newsstands, like the ones they put up when the Cosmo model shows too much skin and suchlike.

Unknown Person

Re: Way to go, Time Magazine.

March 29 2013

I think I get that their intention was to say something like: "If this disgusts you then that's your defect not theirs." But it's definitely not going to be taken that way by those who oppose oppose same sex marriage. It's not what I would have chosen, a picture of a family with same sex parents or even a couple standing at the altar would have been the way I'd have gone.

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Unknown Person

Re: HK-51

March 29 2013

Quote by Seannewboy

Well i intended to get a bit more done on my legacy before i went for this, but with the expansion coming, i want to get mine. Anyone want to help me sometime this weekend or next week?

I'm down, I should be available most of the day tomorrow.

Seannewboy

Re: HK-51

March 29 2013

Well i intended to get a bit more done on my legacy before i went for this, but with the expansion coming, i want to get mine. Anyone want to help me sometime this weekend or next week?

kiddkasper

Re: Way to go, Time Magazine.

March 29 2013

Of course I believe that we should have every freedom and right that out heterosexual counterparts have. However, I'm also realistic in the I recognize that we aren't going to get all of them at once. Instead, it will be done piecemeal.

I would also have to say that just like not all heterosexual couples that want to get married want kids, not all homosexual couples that want to get married want kids. My fiancee and I are perfect examples.

Personally, I think the title along with the accompanying photos are appropriate.

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Parker

Re: Romulan Fleet Name?

March 29 2013

Quote by Ozy

Stonewall Karansu!

Jolan Tru, friends!

Aye to that! B)

Parker

Re: Romulan Fleet Name?

March 29 2013

Quote by ksb2385

There are plenty of cases in the world today of large corporations keeping the same name no matter what country they have offices, or stores in. I can't recall the exact reasons but summarized I think it comes down to Brand Recognition. I must admit the novelty of having a completly Romulan fleet name would be cool but I do feel it would be better for the future to at least keep the word Stonewall as is in the fleet name. So at why not just go half and half. Something romulan before or after the name Stonewall

Exactly Right. I work for a Japanese Company, in the US. Granted we are a child company to the main corporate company but we have the same brand in our names:
Sony
Sony Pictures Entertainment. (this is who I work for)

Unknown Person

Re: Way to go, Time Magazine.

March 29 2013

The same can be said of Will and Grace. Some called it ground breaking, I called it reinforcing stereotypes. I think what time is going for is the wedding day kiss. Not looking at the article I'm indifferent.

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Rasilek

Way to go, Time Magazine.

March 29 2013

http://www.time.com/time/pr/magcovers/4813.jpg

Anyone else a little pissed? I'm a little pissed. Something a little more on the theme of equality would have been more humbling, like a gay couple with kids?

Regardless of the headline and intentions of the journalists, I see this accomplishing nothing more than warping already warped perceptions.

Thoughts?

Ozy

Re: Romulan Fleet Name?

March 29 2013

Stonewall Karansu!

Jolan Tru, friends!

Edited March 29 2013 by Ozy

Keioel

Re: Romulan Fleet Name?

March 28 2013

I would vastly prefer the name be in Romulan but I could probably handle Stonewall being in English, but if that's what we're going to do Legion should be before Stonewall as Legionnaires should be after Stonewall.

KBaker

Re: Romulan Fleet Name?

March 28 2013

There are plenty of cases in the world today of large corporations keeping the same name no matter what country they have offices, or stores in. I can't recall the exact reasons but summarized I think it comes down to Brand Recognition. I must admit the novelty of having a completly Romulan fleet name would be cool but I do feel it would be better for the future to at least keep the word Stonewall as is in the fleet name. So at why not just go half and half. Something romulan before or after the name Stonewall

Parker

Re: Romulan Fleet Name?

March 28 2013

After reading some of this thread beyond my previous post I think that it should be a sustainable name. To that end DoctorDisaster is correct. The name should be legacy to Stonewall and should contain the same. For example; and don't lynch me just yet as I am still pretty new here - If I were to create a KDF the only way I would know the fleet name is by using StonewallChat to get invited. Now because I don't really have an interest in the KDF side of the house I do have interest in what will become our Romulan entity. I joined what I have come to know as some of the best people on the planet doing the thing I love best and maybe it's pride but I want our links to the factions known.

Just my two-cents.

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Unknown Person

Re: Romulan Fleet Name?

March 28 2013

Quote by DoctorDisaster

Having an obvious connection between your fleet names is a good thing. I had seen Stonewallers in the game before I joined the fleet; that level of activity is a selling point for prospective members, and you're reducing it if you're flying under an unconnected name. The implied LGBT connection is also a big plus. I have had people /tell me "oh, hey, is that a gay-friendly fleet?" on my Fed characters; not so on my KDF.

"Stonewall" is memorable because it has existing associations in people's minds. They may know about the riots; they may think of the general; they may just think of a wall. But it does call up some sort of imagery for any English speaker, and that makes it more memorable. Heck, even the name "Romulan Empire" was specifically picked to call up assocations with the Roman one. A fully alien name doesn't have that advantage.

As for HNR...frankly, it's because I find "Nagh'reD" such a pain that I don't think another incomprehensible name is a good choice. I probably still wouldn't know what Nagh'reD actually meant if not for the discussion surrounding the Romulan fleet. I still don't know how I'm supposed to pronounce it -- probably two thirds of our members couldn't spell it on the spot. Because of this, though I've been in the fleet for ages and I love my Orion toon, I feel no sentimental attachment to that word the way I do "Stonewall."

Worse, to a prospective member, all the fleets called "House of [coughing fit]" just sort of blend together. The number of people for whom "Jorreh'honn Karanha" is any more meaningful than "Shmiddlydoo Flobbilitwop" is... well, let's face it: they're all on this thread already. Even our own members who join after the fleet is inaugurated won't know why it's called that.

Call it Stonewall Karanha or Galae Stonewall or the Stonewall Senate or the Raptors of Stonewall, and immediately there's an image to latch on to in addition to that bit of Romulan flavor. Our legacy becomes apparent to anyone who sees us in the game. The new group is bound in with the Knights and Lords and Vanguard and Fleet and Deep Spacers. I don't think that the initial novelty of a fully Romulan name outweighs the long-term value of a more communicative and practical title.

Our new fleet will be bound to the legacy of our other groups, the same way we our, each of us, is bound to the legacy of our ancestors even if we no longer share the same last name. If we do what we should, we will preserve the history of our fleet and our name. We also have to remember that our fleet name will add to the ambiance of playing the game, a mixed name can and will be disruptive to an immersive experience. We also can't assume that everyone knows the meaning of the name "Stonewall". We are a large fleet with members from around the world. I've vary sure that some of our members had no idea what Stonewall was be for joining. If we are going for canon( even if STO is soft canon) the name should be in Romulan.

Edited March 28 2013 by Unknown Person

Parker

Re: Review and Opinion

March 28 2013

That is a great story! Keep it up.

Unknown Person

Re: Romulan Fleet Name?

March 28 2013

Doc, you're awesome :)

I like "Stonewall Legion" or if we wan't to be a little extra canonical we can call it the "Stonewall Star Legion." It was always refereed to as the Romulan Star Empire.

Plus our fleet is more of a paramilitary force and not a body of government so "Senate," while very Roman/Romulan sounding doesn't quite fit don't you think? I mean if our Senators actually went off to fight wars themselves that would be progress. ;)

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Edited March 28 2013 by Unknown Person

chemkarate

Re: SCOTUS hears arguments on the constitutionality of Proposition 8 approved by California voters and the DOMA approved by the United States Government this week

March 28 2013

From what I've been reading of what the judges were asking, I think the most likely result is a repeal of DOMA and a dodge on Prop 8 (by saying the proponents don't have standing). In essence, this would allow the court to dodge on the question of whether or not states can ban gay marriage, but it would force the federal government to not discriminate against gay marriages from states that allow them.

While it wouldn't be the best victory, it would still be huge. Many gay couples could go to states that allow out-of-staters to come get wed to at least sign on to the 1,000+ federal benefits, including tax and immigration protections.

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SiranNataan

Re: What came of my posting the equality picture

March 28 2013

I just posted a follow-up to clarify some things: http://whittierstrong.wordpress.com/2013/03/28/nuance/