Ohh know any good areas in Dallas? gonna be there in September.

Guild leaders (or a designated officer in the event of a guild leader being unable to attend) will participate in Q&A sessions with developers, roundtable feedback discussions, and will get a preview of some upcoming game features.

Any designated Officer would be able to go. Except me. There's no chance I'd be able to make it even if money weren't an issue.

I thought it was open to guild leaders only? I might have read the information wrong or at least I hope so.

Our guild leader is over in europe somewhere so don't think he will be making a trip to Texas.

Episode 512 - Voyager - "Warlord" - 11/20/1996

http://www.allstepisodes.com/megvid.php?n=4310

Kes is controlled by an alien warlord named Tieran.

Enjoy!

Good Luck to you Rybo.

I would be honored to have you take my Nahkerz or Ta-tas into battle.

I would love to see someone from our guild (and a gay guild at that) go and represent us (in the bigger sense of US.)

We could even start some PayPal donation site for to send our guild person so we could donate extra cash and such for food lodging and etc.

I would love to see it happen.

Hey guys n gals!

Are any officers planning on attending the guild summit in Austin? This is a unique opportunity for our questions to be heard by the devs.

If anyone is planning on coming, you should let me know. I've lived here since '96 and know all the fun spots to hit and would be happy to show you around the town!

If no one is able to attend, Austin is my hometown and I'd be happy to represent us.

I don't play SWTOR, but I support your application to be an officer based on your hilarious forum avatar alone. I support more cheeky bastards in leadership positions. :D

Hey guys my application is submitted! Thanks, I hope you keep your fingers crossed for me!

This post made me laugh as well. I need that today. My job is boring.

As for the officer idea I had the same thought. I want to be more involved in the guild however due to grad school and my job my time is too limited to make such a commitment which would be unfair to the guild. If there is ever a Datacron/Mission support officer position available then sign me up!

I plan on being a very active member of the guild in the game and on the forum.

-Kevin

I am going to try! My internet time is very limited right now since i'm in a process of a messy move. I would love you for life if you help me catch it!

This made me chuckle as you usually do Rybo. Nice list, see you could have put organized as well heh.

As a quick serious note Officer positions that are open are always posted in this section so if you are interested keep an eye out.

Can't argue with number one :)

Number four is the only reason I'm an officer :p (I'm joking... honest!)

Posted from my Android device.

1. Everybody likes me

2. I am always drama free

3. I always drop everything whenver anybody asks for help that I am capable of providing

4. I really want to be able to go into the officer channel on vent

5. I always try to include as many people as I can for whatever I or anyone else feels like doing

6. It's really hard to come up with a 6th reason but I'm striving for 10.

7. Once I get into my new place I will be avaliable weekends at peak play times

8. I play on the Empire side

9. I am a stickler for the rules (except for when I lose control of my potty mouth but I'm working on it though it's really never used for evil)

10! I would be very honored to have the position and I'd make you proud.

:-)

Goodnight!

I'm locking this thread because it is becoming a place for personal attacks and that is not what we support. Any further discussion or questions on this topic please feel free to message an Officer and we will do our best to clarify whatever we can.

So it's safe to assume I'll need to plan my seating chart carefully if I invite you boys over for dinner? :P

Goodness gracious.

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Here we go again. First off let me say that after reading this I talked with leadership of Stonewall Council to hear their side of the story. Nick is right, Officers of Stonewall Council did in fact use this websites private message system to invite people into Stonewall Council. One small fact is being left out however, the people contacted had ALREADY quit KoS and had made public statements as such. No current member of KoS was ever sent a private message asking them to leave and join SC. Everyone in Stonewall Council that left KoS did so of their own free will and was not asked by any member of SC too due so to our knowledge. If this did happen I encourage KoS leadership to bring this to our attention so we can ensure that it no longer occurs.

Section 4 of the Code of Conduct states:

Targeted recruitment of members or participating in acts that have the effect of discriminating against, or segregating, members of the fleet are strictly prohibited and may result in removal.

Whether this was a member of our site or one of our guilds, the "targeted recruitment" of such a member is a violation of our Code of Conduct. Saying it was only done to those that had already left is trying to justify something they know was against the rules.

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There has been active KoS members who have approached Stonewall Council asking if we are affiliated with KoS. To those people SC leadership simply said no, but that we are made up of former KoS members who didn't like the direction the guild was going in. Nowhere on our website is there any mention of KoS or negitive comments about it. I was one person who left KoS do to unhappiness with the way this guild was being run. I made a post to that effect announcing my departure without knowledge that SC even existed. It was only after I quit KoS that I was contacted via PM by one of my friends in SC.

This is exactly the issue. Thank you for justifying our claims.

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The last point I want to make is this idea that spiting the guild in it's current form was all Doug's idea, Doug said and I quote: "Many ideas were suggested. At launch I suggested an alt guild for overflow just like in STO were we they had Deep Space Stonewall. But was ignored or some officers didn't think we would have the problem. I was against a 4 way class split. I was also against the level split. Right before stepping down, the decision was made of the two guilds. Because of how I was treated, I really didn't have a vested interest. So I don't even remember what I picked as an option. Too many of the officers where not that actively involved in the first couple weeks, by that point I was burned out."

This is simply not the truth. Doogie was at the officer's meeting in which the decision was made. He voted on it. In fact, he was the first to post the suggesting in Knights of Stonewall's officer's forum.

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Look, if people are happy with the way this guild is being run, which clearly certain people are, that's fine and great. But people also have the right to leave if they are not happy with it, and they have the right to express why they are leaving. You can not point a finger at Doug and say it's all his fault. No one forced anyone to quit Kos, not one person was manipulated, no one was pressured, they all left of their own individual free will and they don't deserve to be criticized for it. It was only after they left that Doug and others sent PMs. If you think sending PMs to former KoS members are tacky, that is your right, and it is your right to ban them from your site. But lets at least be honest about what really happened and stop with all the spin.

If someone doesn't feel the the community that we provide is right for them, then we have no issue with them deciding to leave and find a new guild for them. We wish them the best. This has nothing to do with that. What we are saying is that we won't allow members to continue to use our facilities to poach our membership.

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It's unfortunate, but the original post is filled with half-truths and circumstantial conclusions that are unbecoming of Stonewall Fleet.

Everything that was stated above can be backed up with evidence.

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There has been concerted effort not to pressure, incite or even ask anyone to leave KoS. This was an emphatic insistence by those who founded the new guild, and we have been very careful not to bring up the subject. Anyone who has expressed frustration with KoS or an intent to leave KoS (especially if any of us were already friends with them) might have been offered the chance to join this other guild; but it was never a matter of active recruitment or poaching.

This is simply not true. Who ever is telling you this is lying to you. We have documented evidence that shows exactly what they were doing. If we did not have this evidence, we would not have acted in this manor.

What exactly is the difference between "poaching" and offering someone the chance to join another guild?

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Most of us did not leave KoS because of the proposed split, and have made clear among ourselves and (some) on these forums that some of us supported that plan and others didn't. We are as evenly divided on that score as the KoS membership was. So, no we were not misled into following the person who advocated what we were against. To say so misrepresents the situation and all of us who left. It is also false that most of us came from a particular guild in WoW. Some of us never even played WoW (myself included), and most of the others that initially started Stonewall Council were from different WoW guilds.

Not all those that left did so because of the guild banding or because the WoW guild, but many of them did.. I'm sure there are others for their own reasons.

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You state that "it strains credulity to believe this is a mere coincidence" in reference to the founding of a guild by a former officer and a small group of vocally critical members. This is not only circumstantial evidence (hardly a valid reason to remove someone from the guild and forums!), but even if it is true, may I remind everyone that the VERY FIRST rule in the Code of Conduct is: Be respectful. Remember that all members are entitled to their opinions" (emphasis mine). So you've violated the code of conduct yourself by using vocal opposition to the leadership decisions as a partial basis for removal.

What strains credulity was that this guild started before the officer even resigned from his position in Knights of Stonewall. This what not some happenstance event that just transpired, but was thought out and planned.

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The bottom line is this: from the point of early access to his leaving in early January, Doogiegood was the leadership of KoS. Other officers were barely visible if at all.

Doogie was one of the leaders in Knights of Stonewall, but by far, not the only one. This has been a myth largely propagated by a few who did not like how the guild was being run.

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The nominal guild leader had made it clear he would not even be playing the game. "Community Manager" or not, he has no right to any input into the running of the guild without being an active member of the guild. (You can not be an active member of a guild in a game you do not play.)

I have every right for input into the guild. As the person who started this community, Stonewall Fleet and Knights of Stonewall. I have a lot of experience in running organizations and guilds such as this and I lend provide that experience to Knights of Stonewall. Decisions in both guilds are not made by anyone person, but rather all the officers in the guild. I work to facilitate discussion, set goals and help us reach them. I relied on the officers in the game to develop and enact our goals.

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You (meaning NicholasJohn16 and any other officers complicit in this decision) claim that Stonewall Fleet and KoS should be a welcoming place where everyone is free to contribute to the community. Yet you've banned multiple members for reasons that are unsubstantiated. You've done so without evidence, due process or an opportunity for those members to defend themselves. You've done so with a statement that is misleading, assumptive, and defensive.

Its is a welcome place for all those that want to participate in the community and follow the rules that govern them. Our reasons are substantiated and we have significant amounts of evidence. Allowing those banned to continue their access on our site would only further allow them to poach members from us. Considerable time was put into discussing what should be done and gathering the opinions of all officers in Stonewall, not just those in Knights of Stonewall.

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The conclusion of the Code of Conduct reads in part: "Finally, any member can be removed from the guild without having violated the rules above if they are found to have negatively affected the overall morale of the guild." How can you say a handful of people leaving the guild--regardless of their reasons--negatively affects the morale worse than the banning and silencing of those members without any valid grounds for dismissal. Is the overall morale devastated more by the departure of a small group of members from one aspect of the guild... or by the unjust banishment of those members from the community?

Banning them was a necessary action considering the grievousness of their violations of the Code of Conduct. As well, to prevent them from using our site for poaching new members.

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I've been a member of Stonewall Fleet since closed beta of STO, and count many friends among the members. ... Some of us have been long-term members of this community. While I have not taken any leadership position, I have been a present and vocal supporter of this community for over two years now.

Since you have been such a long-term members, then you should know that we don't take these sort of actions with out cause and considerable evidence. Why are you so keen to believe the other side of the story?

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Is your faith so weak that it can't stand a little scrutiny?

We have no problem with scrutiny. That's specifically why this post was made; to be transparent and inform the community of actions by the officers.

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As my fellow guild mates of Stonewall Council have stated, none of us have "poached" any members from KoS. Before I had left, I already knew of 6 people who were on the verge of leaving KoS due to the lack of leadership. I, myself, left due to multiple reason, one being the lack of leadership and one being the way Daddylicious and I were treated that day in guild chat. In fact, it was Zepari who who broke the first rule of conduct that day (and Justjon had broken it a few days before in guild chat when he stated that he didn't like me even though he had never known me before that very short conversation in guild chat).

If I at any time offended you I apologize as I don't actually remember ever talking to you before.

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Here we go again. First off let me say that after reading this I talked with leadership of Stonewall Council to hear their side of the story. Nick is right, Officers of Stonewall Council did in fact use this websites private message system to invite people into Stonewall Council. One small fact is being left out however, the people contacted had ALREADY quit KoS and had made public statements as such. No current member of KoS was ever sent a private message asking them to leave and join SC. Everyone in Stonewall Council that left KoS did so of their own free will and was not asked by any member of SC too due so to our knowledge. If this did happen I encourage KoS leadership to bring this to our attention so we can ensure that it no longer occurs.

There has been active KoS members who have approached Stonewall Council asking if we are affiliated with KoS. To those people SC leadership simply said no, but that we are made up of former KoS members who didn't like the direction the guild was going in. Nowhere on our website is there any mention of KoS or negitive comments about it. I was one person who left KoS do to unhappiness with the way this guild was being run. I made a post to that effect announcing my departure without knowledge that SC even existed. It was only after I quit KoS that I was contacted via PM by one of my friends in SC.

The contact was actually brought up by a member who is still part of out guild to leadership. So with that being said all decisions and discussions on this matter started then.

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I have no comment on the charter really as it's a mute point in my opinion. If you look at any other gay guild's charter they are almost identical as we all tend to stand for the same thing. As for the Stonewall name in a guild, there were many Stonewall guilds that existed before even Stonewall Fleet, so if Doug is guilty of stealing that then so is Nick. The reason the name Stonewall was chosen is becuase we have a lot of members from Stonewall Family, a guild which predates KoS.

The statement I believe you are looking for is Code of Conduct as the Code of Conduct was copied word for word.

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The last point I want to make is this idea that spiting the guild in it's current form was all Doug's idea, Doug said and I quote: "Many ideas were suggested. At launch I suggested an alt guild for overflow just like in STO were we they had Deep Space Stonewall. But was ignored or some officers didn't think we would have the problem. I was against a 4 way class split. I was also against the level split. Right before stepping down, the decision was made of the two guilds. Because of how I was treated, I really didn't have a vested interest. So I don't even remember what I picked as an option. Too many of the officers where not that actively involved in the first couple weeks, by that point I was burned out."

It's also worth pointing out that the vast majority of people who left this guild did not do so because of the split, but because of the way in which it was handled. Many felt that such an important decision that would have effected everyone should have input from the general membership. The split was known about before the game even luanched and the claim that it was a last second decision is false. This of course was pointed out in the other thread by many people.

Look, if people are happy with the way this guild is being run, which clearly certain people are, that's fine and great. But people also have the right to leave if they are not happy with it, and they have the right to express why they are leaving. You can not point a finger at Doug and say it's all his fault. No one forced anyone to quit Kos, not one person was manipulated, no one was pressured, they all left of their own individual free will and they don't deserve to be criticized for it. It was only after they left that Doug and others sent PMs. If you think sending PMs to former KoS members are tacky, that is your right, and it is your right to ban them from your site. But lets at least be honest about what really happened and stop with all the spin.

As someone who personally read back in the Officer Threads I can personally say Doug had full vote in the matter of the split. I do want to say that actions speak louder than words and think our members are smart and intelligent people who can figure out what they want. I will however say that the fact that people in that guild decide to keep posting here speaks in volumes of what the intentions are.