Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

Bren Ohmsford

Bren

Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 11 2013
For those of you interested in this story, Pope Benedict XVI has resigned his position as head of Catholic Church. His reasons given are his advanced age and that he feels he is no longer of strength in body and mind to carry out the necessary tasks his office requires of him.

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Ben

Gravity

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 11 2013
That was unexpected i will be curious to see if we get such a traditionalist as the next pope.
Kidd Kasper

kiddkasper

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 11 2013
I think it's fair to say that Benedict has been decisive at times. Perhaps the next Pope will bring more unification and healing.
Seannewboy

Seannewboy

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 11 2013
Quote by kiddkasper
I think it's fair to say that Benedict has been decisive at times. Perhaps the next Pope will bring more unification and healing.


Well he cant bring less, in deference to any catholics here i wont say more.
Jwcisneros

Lorenius

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 12 2013
Even though I was born and raised in the Catholic church, all that remains of my Catholocism is a curiousity about the "real" history of the religion. Hard to be a Medieval historian without being a religious historian.

All of that aside, the Church is at a crossroads. Benedict elevated many Cardinals, so it is unlikely the upcoming conclave will elect a liberal reformist. But there is a unique opportunity to elect a moderate. Take a look at all of the names tossed out today and realize that it is highly unlikely that any of them will emerge as the next Pope. There have been rumblings of electing a Latin American cardinal, I think there is a better than even chance of that happening. I also think there is a slightly less likely chance of an Italian returning to the Seat of Peter. You will hear the possibility of an African cardinal being elected. I view this as highly unlikely, despite Pope watchers making noises about it. They are more likely to elect an American cardinal over an African cardinal.

So, the best LGBT Catholics can expect is a moderate reformer. Latin America is the best place for a moderate reformer to come from, followed by an Italian/Western European, and then US American (Timothy Cardinal Dolan has been mentioned by some Pope watchers).

If the Church chooses to elect a traditionalist expect a cardinal from Africa or Eastern Europe. They will not elect another German. This Pope was (and still is) wildly unpopular in Italy. When he was elected the headlines read "Tedesco Pastorale" (German Shepherd). The Italians thought Benedetto was too "rigido." There will be no Opus Dei candidates and a Jesuit is highly unlikely too. Expect Dominican as the leading possibilty out of De Orderes Majeure. I also rate the chances of an older (70+ years old) candidate to be slim. The conclave will want stability so they most likely will try to elect a cardinal in his early 60's.

On a final note, expect the next Pope to really shake up the higher offices (SCDF, Vatican Secretary of State) by reassigning certain cardinals elsewhere (Gerhard Cardinal Mueller who is the head of the Inquisition/SCDF comes immediately to mind). All of my predictions go out the window if they elect a familiar of Ratzinger.

The last Pope to retire did so in 1415...so these are odd days in the Vatican where the Pope usually goes out feet first.

Now we see how terrible my predictions are...

~Jeff
aka Lorenius
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Eric

chemkarate

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 12 2013
The timing of this following the Grammys caused an odd bit of humor on Twitter for me this morning. A friend was said something about how he was going to ignore Twitter this morning because of the news about the Pope and the Grammys. I then responded in joking surprise about the Pope winning a Grammy for his album, "Benedict Does Britney".

This then led to a series of Benedict-ized Britney Spears parody suggestions, including:

"Touch of My Hand"
"It's Benedict, Bitch."
"Oops, I Molested Again"
"Boys (The Non Co-Ed Remix)"
"Me Against The Gays" feat. The Mormons
"Gimme More (Tithes)"

I now leave you with the mental image of Pope Benedict the Nth dancing out of the Vatican suggestively with the new hit single "Baptizer" playing in the background with a bunch of Caridinals backing him up.
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Edited February 12 2013 by chemkarate
John Wilson

Araa

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 12 2013
FYI guys, this is really bad news.

My strong bet is that he chose to retire so that he can (unofficially) choose the next pope. Odds are we'll end up with a young Ratzinger+.
Jwcisneros

Lorenius

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 12 2013
He won't have a vote, when he steps down he becomes a non-voting cardinal (age 85). He won't be admitted to Conclave. That is not to say that he won't be able to express a preference, but he cannot dictate how the Conclave goes. According to the press (Italian not American), he will be at the vacation retreat at Castelgandolfo during the Conclave.

You have close to 120 type "A" personalities in the Sistine Chapel, that is why every conclave is like herding cats. You need to get 66% to agree on the next Pope. He cannot count on the Italian contigent to go his way (or the Western European contingent, frankly).

The elephant in the room is that his resignation is roughly about half health reasons and the other half over the culmination of the scandals he presided over as both Pope and the leader of the SCDF/Inquisition. He is not a particularly popular Pope, so his ability to influence Conclave is severely limited. John Paul II might have been able to influence a Conclave, as he was beloved by even his doctrinal enemies. Benedict does not have that luxury. Benedict is perceived as both "freddo" (cold) and "rigido" (inflexible) and is more professor than pastor.

I would not fear him hand picking his successor and bear in mind Conclaves are rarely predictable.

~Jeff
aka Lorenius
Jwcisneros

Lorenius

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 12 2013
Quote by chemkarate
The timing of this following the Grammys caused an odd bit of humor on Twitter for me this morning. A friend was said something about how he was going to ignore Twitter this morning because of the news about the Pope and the Grammys. I then responded in joking surprise about the Pope winning a Grammy for his album, "Benedict Does Britney".

This then led to a series of Benedict-ized Britney Spears parody suggestions, including:

"Touch of My Hand"
"It's Benedict, Bitch."
"Oops, I Molested Again"
"Boys (The Non Co-Ed Remix)"
"Me Against The Gays" feat. The Mormons
"Gimme More (Tithes)"

I now leave you with the mental image of Pope Benedict the Nth dancing out of the Vatican suggestively with the new hit single "Baptizer" playing in the background with a bunch of Caridinals backing him up.


:lol: Marry me? That made my (Italian) morning. BTW, he is the 16th Benedict, none of which have had particularly good reigns, and Joey Rats is no exception. Quick historical note: He is the second Benedict to retire/abdicate the papacy under a cloud, Benedict IX was the other.

~J
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Edoardo

NexusAstor

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February 12 2013
I'm Italian and I don't know if you know about the Monte dei Paschi bank scandal, the fact that the Pope resigned is linked to the fact that the Church had its shares in the debts/covert-dealings of the MdP and their endorsing Mario Monti as the 'savior' from our economic crisis here in Italy. It never counted his health (as he's in perfect conditions) he did it as to prevent the another scandal to form and destabilize their situation. P.S. I'm a Catholic, but I can't stand this Pope... nethertheless I'm telling the facts as I know them, not as to slander him.
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Jwcisneros

Lorenius

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 12 2013
Thank you for reminding me of that specific scandal. Benedetto has presided over so many. ;)

~J
Edoardo

NexusAstor

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 12 2013
No problem!
Tsar Agus

WhiteOnmyoji

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 13 2013
So if St. Malachy's Prophecy of the Popes is true here's what we can look forward to:

In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus, qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur, & Judex tremêdus judicabit populum suum. Finis.

or in common tongue

(In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)

Apparently the Glory of the Olives is suppose to be the Penultimate Pope
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Cal

calx

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 13 2013
sounds like an STF
let's rock n roll!
Jwcisneros

Lorenius

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 13 2013
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Hi White. This is a short list of prophecies attrbuted to St. Malachy. Your translation is just a tad off (we academics would say "problematic", but yours is not bad), here is the most common translation from Latin to English.

"In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, Peter the Roman will hold the see. (he) will nourish his sheep in many tribulations: and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills (Rome) will be destroyed, and the terrible judge (God) will judge his people. The End."

In original Latin:

In pſecutione extrema S.R.E. ſedebit. Petrus Romanus, qui paſcet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus tranſactis ci- uitas ſepticollis di- ruetur, et Iudex tre mẽdus iudicabit po pulum ſuum. Finis.

Naturally, this version of Latin is mostly read by specialists and insane PhD candidates like myself. So...this version emerged in the Vulgate (Vulgar) Latin.

In persecutione extrema Sanctae Romanae Ecclesiae sedebit. Petrus Romanus qui pascet oves multis tribulationibus: quibus transactis civitatis septi collis conterentur, et iudex iudicabit terribilis populum suum. Finis.

This results in a much cleaner translation, and more clear (I hope):

In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church will sit Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, after which the city of the seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful Judge will judge his people. The end.

In order to properly translate Vulgar (Ecclesial) Latin, you have to understand the common abbreviations (e.g. S.R.E. and &) and change certain vowel endings to arrive at the true translation.

Nota bene: These prophecies and especially this particular one are generally regarded in scholarly circles as false. There is certainly not enough provenance to prove them absolutely genuine.

Good job, White! You get a thanks for providing me a simpler translation than the poem from Vergil I posted earlier today :).

Best,

~Jeff
aka Lorenius
Linda Layne

Ltervlet

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 14 2013
I am extremely impressed by everyone's abilities when it comes to foreign languages here. My only addition to this thread is one of pure observation that may or may not be attributed to anything in particular. Has anyone ever noticed how particularly evil Benedict generally looks in most photos? Not trying to be the least bit slanderous either but I noticed this early on and the feeling has persisted with each photo that has been published of him. :(
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Eric

chemkarate

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 14 2013
You're not the only one who has thought he looks rather evil. There are a ton of doctored images and memes that equate him with Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars.
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Jwcisneros

Lorenius

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 14 2013
One of Benedict's more common nicknames is "Pope Palpatine." :evil:

Let us say that Benedict suffers an "image problem" that is not helped by his theological stances and moral choices. Looking like some sort of minion of Satan will not help your press, throw in his questionable choices as leader of the SCDF and Pope strictly on the issue of child molestation alone merits him a special place in hell.

~J
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Heli

Narciso

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 16 2013
As a Roman Catholic, all I have to say to this is...

AMEN!!!!

See? God does answer prayers.
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Angel

Angelsilhouette

Re: Catholic Pope Benedict XVI Resigns

February 16 2013
Quote by Narciso
See? God does answer prayers.


That's funneh rat thur, I'on't curr who ya are, that's funneh.

:3
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