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Halish hasn't logged into SWTor in 146 days, so I don't know if they know what's going on with our crew (that's the longest inactive w/o being gkicked). Our guild leader hasn't been logged in in over a month on either side. When I asked Zepari about it I believe he said he plays in another guild, and had had enough of the work it takes to be a gleader in STO. I totally dig that, but it leaves a need for active leadership of some sort, in my opinion.

I was an officer in SW:ToR before the game launched and I helped get things up and running but the game simply wasn't for me and I stepped back before my free month ended. I still care about Knights of Stonewall and I try and help out in anyway I can, despite not logging into the game.

There is NO WAY Zepari told you he's playing in another guild, you must have mis-understood him. I'm not willing to discuss why Zepari isn't around at the moment but I will say this; real life comes first and always will. Zepari cares for Knights of Stonewall more than you could ever know and when he's able to return, he'll return, until then we have to continue.

I asked you in another thread not to discuss guild mergers and yet you bring it up again, I wouldn't mind as such but it's the only solution you have presented for the lack of activity in SW:ToR. A guild merger isn't a solution, it's simply giving our member base to another guild (one which doesn't operate with the same policies we do) unless you think they're going to move all of their players into Knights of Stonewall? no? didn't think so.

I want to keep the discussion focused on Knights of Stonewall like it has been so far in this thread. Knights of Stonewall may be quiet at this moment but it's not a lost cause and the move to a new more popular server will give us a chance to pick ourself's up, dust ourself's off and move forward as a family.

Poaching is active recruitment of another guilds members and If you choose to leave us and go to them, that's not poaching that's one members choice but if a member of another guild actively contacted you and tried to convince you to make a move that's what poaching is and that's what was happening with "such and such" guild.

We've had a lot of set backs in Knights of Stonewall, there's no hiding away from that. I'd only ask that we all come together and try and improve the situation not just list what's wrong and suggest we delete the guild.

Big strides can be achieved.

I've been off work for several weeks due to a medical issue so I've been able to log on during various times during the day and the activity level is depressing. The server is DEAD, I see maybe 5 people in our guild on at one time, at most 5-10 people per planet.

ALL the chat channels are dead. I've said hello in guild, KoS and the PRIDE channel and rarely get a response.

I'm at lvl 36 and running missions solo on dead planets with zero chatter in the chat box makes me want to log off.

This used to be VERY active group but it's on life support in SWTOR.

I don't really know what folks want from KoS/LoS, but I'd like a guild that talks, groups, and helps each other, and honestly in SWToR that doesn't happen much. As Alf/Yoko/Liz/Angee I chatter a lot, god only knows, but only about 3 other people do as well. In the months I've been in the guild I've never ever seen a group form in chat for a FP that I can recall.

In another thread I asked about the possibility of guild mergers; I should have also proffered the idea of guild alliances. The response from Halish was:

"Guild mergers with other guilds isn't an avenue we're going to explore and the discussion should remain focused on our guild." - Halish

The response from Itervlet was demotion from officer to member. Really? For bringing up a topic for discussion? I'm stunned.

Halish hasn't logged into SWTor in 146 days, so I don't know if they know what's going on with our crew (that's the longest inactive w/o being gkicked). Our guild leader hasn't been logged in in over a month on either side. When I asked Zepari about it I believe he said he plays in another guild, and had had enough of the work it takes to be a gleader in STO. I totally dig that, but it leaves a need for active leadership of some sort, in my opinion.

A guild can provide four main benefits: conversation, grouping, general help, and progression. Which of these does KoS provide? I asked my initial question to be helpful, and pose it again here as well in the same vein. I wanted to see opinions about whether people think there's a need to consolidate to have enough people to get the most out of the game.

But after getting my note about betrayal from an officer for posting a question on the forums without talking to them first I'm not sure what I'll do right now. I didn't know that I should ask permission before posting an honest question. I didn't expect to get punished. I'm trying not to be negative in tone, but it's kinda hard after that.

I was told that such-and-such guild was poaching our members. They're not poaching. Our members aren't really being given much reason to stick around. A high water mark for guildies online is typically 4 people Republic, 1 or 2 Imperial. I want to solve which I think is an issue, but perhaps this group prefers it kinda stays as it is, but if it does, honestly KoS/LoS are gonna just get quieter and quieter.

I think that, in keeping the general views of Gene Roddenbury's utopian future, odds are that transgender, as well as those of sexual orientation, would be dealt with in a manner befitting human dignity. However, as a television program airing in modern times, the stories that the staff choose to tell are just as important as the world that exists in the universe of Star Trek. That they have yet to include this element of diversity is unfortunate and an area where the biases of the times are at odds with the utopian futurist vision of Star Trek.

That message is part of what drew me to Star Trek (once I was old enough to understand it and not be terrified of the Horta). However, I think that the stories that are told are more useful for those in need of learning their lessons than preaching to the choir. That is, those of minority groups see their experience reflected in the story which brings benefit on many levels. Those of majority groups may actually learn something and help to contribute to a public culture of tolerance.

I've patched us to the most recent release. Hopefully, that will fix the problem. If anyone else has problems uploading photos, please let me know.

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Oh, if only I had listened. :(

It took me all weekend to patch. It kept stopping for some reason. Finished patching just in time for the Beta to be over.

Hopefully, I'll join you all next time!

SMH@Nick. I thought we taught you better.

This is the second thread like this today, I don't mean to be "bitchy" about it but just take a glance round the forums before you create a thread and join in the discussions already in motion.

If you could please keep all discussion on server merges here: /forums/holocron/43984-re-should-the-guild-switch-servers?limit=6&start=6#44053

Thanks a bunch :)

Halish

Edit: Also in reply to your other questions:

2. Guild merges aren't an option for us right now.

3. You need to keep an eye on this forum and a post will be made when an opportunity comes up for you to progress to higher ranks within the guild.

hi all i have a few questions.
1. does anyone know what the deal is with the swtor merging of servers?? will the jekk jekk be moved ect ect.

2. there is a little talk with the remaining guild membes in game of a guild merge with rough trade and a couple of other gay guilds (cannot remember the names, is there anything we can do to make a more populious guild. i love this guild and especially a "gay" guild in game but as of late there has not been no more than 3 guildies online at a time. i am to blame as well and not have been playing as much, but have been busy with real life crap.

3. can i get a promotion from my member stat. i have seen a few players with some ??? names (i husky jedi by the name of bear, yeah i followed him. dont judge.:)) that i woulh have totally invited and possibly woulf have been a great asset.

thank you all
peteypoo. :blush:

Played through this today and really enjoyed it.

The dialogue is wrote in a way which makes you feel like you're commanding your ship and crew rather than your bridge officers commanding you (which it's like in most other missions) with a lot of optional dialogue options.

I thought the mission was going to end only for it to kick into a whole different direction. I'm eagerly awaiting part two! You did a great job! :)

I do think you may need to give it a once over to check the dialogue. I noticed three occasions when "you're" or "your" was used when the opposite should have been used. There was also a spelling mistake early on when the
And there may have been a few moments where you had wrote a lot of short sentences. Comma's may have made the dialogue flow better.

Other than that I thought it was great!

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"The crying game" was a good work for doing that. The plot did not focus on the trans issues and in fact only introduced it 1/2 way through. Still one of my favourite movies and songs.

Yeah, but the way they established Dil was trans was messed up. And in fact here is one of the issues with the way transness is portrayed in general: If you're transsexual and post-operative, nobody will necessarily know you're trans unless you say so, and yet we always find out because OMG UNEXPECTED GENITALIA, leading to "it's really a " and, not uncommonly, violence.

The last movie I saw where I actually felt like a transgender character was treated half-way decently was The World According to Garp, and even that was problematic in its way. At least John Lithgow made clear in interviews that he chose to play Roberta Muldoon because he wanted to play a woman--suggesting that in his mind there's no doubt to him that trans women are women, full stop. Also, Garp's mother obviously had no problems with trans women given she accepted them at her home, and Garp and his family develops a close relationship with Roberta. Her transness is established early, and aside from some initial awkwardness on Garp's part, it becomes a non-issue quickly and remains one until the end.

"The crying game" was a good work for doing that. The plot did not focus on the trans issues and in fact only introduced it 1/2 way through. Still one of my favourite movies and songs.

So let me know when folks are going to start transferring and stuff ... it looks like the transfers are live ... so waiting to hear when to do it ... I got 2 accounts and lots of toons heh

I admit that a trans character on a mainstream fictional work whose trans-ness (for lack of a better word) is unremarkable and not the defining characteristic of the character would be lovely.

I don't trust Hollywood to do it properly. At all. At (censored) all.

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Sam, I cried for Soren, FWIW. Her story sounded an awful lot like mine, subtracting out the issue of whether her gender had any implication for her sexual attractions. And the J'Naii's treatment of gender is not that far off from the way we humans treat ours, only instead of androgyny there is an insistence on a rigid and immutable gender binary. There are plenty in our society that would love to somehow force trans folk's brains to conform to what they think should match the genitalia--I'm reminded of this fact every time a cis person declares trans folk to be mentally ill, or to claim that reparative therapy can make a trans person cisgender the same way they claim it can make gays and lesbians into straight folk.

Lesley, maybe for you it's a non-issue, but if it were a non-issue for me I wouldn't have brought it up in the first place.

Nova, you're right about the ham-fisted treatment of trans characters in popular culture, but that just means the Star Trek universe doesn't have to do much to be progressive.

What Trek has tried to do in the past was to show a currant issue from a slant that would allow it to be less human, but still apparent as something and raise questions about it. And you are right about Soren there. That was half the plots point. That was it really right to "help" someone overcome that in that way. In the same way mant today still think you can "pray away the gay" and so on.

Frakes himself apparently said he wanted Soren to be made more masculine in it which would have leant an even stronger male/male gay angle to the story. That came either from the Wiki article on the episode itself or sexuality in Star Trek itself.

Where the Federation itself is meant to be far beyond such issues, but those they encounter may not be and how they will often try to help or at least shed light on why there way is bad.
Classic case is the TNG episode where a colony or genetically "pure" people face extinction until Geordi is able to help reinforce their colony to survive a passing comet fragment. Showing how someone "disabled" who would have never lived in their group actually saves them.

The issue at times like those is when Trek wont go far enough with what it is saying and doing. Often taking the more subtle route or losing the message when it tries to be too subtle.

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Not trying to be a stick in the mud here but as far as gender is concerned, all characters except the occasional Ferengi female or Betazoid are all fully clothed making a definitive gender id almost impossible.

You're not being a stick in the mud, you're being sensible.

Given the ham-handed way that film and television handle THE CHARACTER THAT IS A WOMAN. . . OR IS SHE? it's something of a relief to me that Star Trek hasn't taken the opportunity to disappoint us.

Alas it has already if you count Quark getting made up to appear Female and convince the Ferengi that women can do business. I forget which episode it was, but it was truly dire. That managed to make a mockery of TVs and women in general I suspect in how he portrayed them as well.

Sam, I cried for Soren, FWIW. Her story sounded an awful lot like mine, subtracting out the issue of whether her gender had any implication for her sexual attractions. And the J'Naii's treatment of gender is not that far off from the way we humans treat ours, only instead of androgyny there is an insistence on a rigid and immutable gender binary. There are plenty in our society that would love to somehow force trans folk's brains to conform to what they think should match the genitalia--I'm reminded of this fact every time a cis person declares trans folk to be mentally ill, or to claim that reparative therapy can make a trans person cisgender the same way they claim it can make gays and lesbians into straight folk.

Lesley, maybe for you it's a non-issue, but if it were a non-issue for me I wouldn't have brought it up in the first place.

Nova, you're right about the ham-fisted treatment of trans characters in popular culture, but that just means the Star Trek universe doesn't have to do much to be progressive.

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Not trying to be a stick in the mud here but as far as gender is concerned, all characters except the occasional Ferengi female or Betazoid are all fully clothed making a definitive gender id almost impossible.

You're not being a stick in the mud, you're being sensible.

Given the ham-handed way that film and television handle THE CHARACTER THAT IS A WOMAN. . . OR IS SHE? it's something of a relief to me that Star Trek hasn't taken the opportunity to disappoint us.

There is already a thread discussing server transfers here: /forums/holocron/43984-re-should-the-guild-switch-servers?limit=6&start=6#44053

Please take all discussions there.

Guild mergers with other guilds isn't an avenue we're going to explore and the discussion should remain focused on our guild.

Thank you,

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Not trying to be a stick in the mud here but as far as gender is concerned, all characters except the occasional Ferengi female or Betazoid are all fully clothed making a definitive gender id almost impossible.

Like myself I never make a song and dance about my gender so why should they? We have also seen episodes in TNG where the clothing was worn by both genders so transvestism and the like would also be impossible to spot. In 10 forward we see single sex groups sitting around all the time and so how do we know their sexuality? Peoples professionalism would also likely pretty much eliminate any intimate episodes for most shots we see.

Really I think the entire subject is a non issue and if it were a big part then Trek may never have been the success we see it as today.

The easy answer would be to point out how ships like a Galaxy Class have over 1000 people onboard and even over 7 years you can only tell stories about a few of them.

A station like DS9 must have several thousand occupants at any one time. So there would be plenty of options for lots like that within them. But finding a reason and compelling story for why you should focus on one or a few who have had that situation and make a good story around them is another matter.

Trek has tried to touch on Gender issues such as that odd late Next Gen episode where they are on a planet of single gender people and Riker ends up falling for a woman who is genetically female and not like the others. The arguement where he is trying to fight against her being forcefully changed away from what she is/wants to be.

If there is ever another proper Trek show I think you would see a gay character and option for such a story. Alas TOS and TNG were still in far too conservative time for it. ie. Kirk kissing Uhura causing outrage back in the 60/70s.
But we would also want a well implemented character if they did. And to really explore those issues the character would have to be part of the main cast. Alas lower ranks only ever get airtime for low budget episodes and rarely get shown for more then a couple of episodes at best, and as such only get the barest hints of character development.
I know you discounted Trill already but they were the easiest way to include that with Dax and the Lesbian present kiss caused from previous relationship.

Edit: Seems that was The Outcast featuring the J'Naii so I guess you already covered that as well...