Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

Joseph Baker

Jerran

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 20 2013
Quote by Toddoverton
My 11-year-old and I agreed that it was a great movie, specifically that it was much better than the first one. We really enjoyed it.

My only complaint was about the cinematography, which I thought was too jumbled, chaotic, and jumpy. But I liked the plot and story a lot. Best movie I've seen in quite a while.

I could have done without them putting Kirk in bed with two alien girls. That made for a fun ride home...


I have to agree with you. I was very skeptical about the movie, especially when I found out before hand about the plot twists, but I really liked where they went with this. It was much better than the first one, which isn't saying much, to be sure.

I'm going to have to disagree with Voleron's assessment of the franchise. It really sounds like you're trying to blame the victims here. The reason why the later Star Trek movies, especially Nemesis, sucked so bad, was just because of the greed of the studios. They didn't want to spend money on good writing, so we got junk. John Logan is such an unimaginative hack, and I knew he was just going to rehash other, better stories, like TWOK. Enterprise was also squarely in the lap of the studio. It's not that fans abandoned it. Remember that for the first season or so, they didn't even want to call it Star Trek so they didn't have to bother with canon.
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Steven Skeffington

Rasilek

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 20 2013
Quote by Voleron
I think that some people's disappointment with this movie (as others have said), is because in large part, they're hoping for the traditional Star Trek that they remember.

After seeing the first movie, I realized that for me to be able to enjoy the new series, I could no longer think of the J.J. movies as the Star Trek I'd come to know and love; the two are completely different and separate things in my mind, despite them having the same name. They're just movies designed to cast as wide of a net as possible, in order to bring in the biggest audience and net the most money, without challenging social norms or providing hope for the future, beyond the potential for good looking guys in their early thirties to be sailing through space, representing Earth behind the wheel of a Trillion dollar space ship.

As heart-wrenching as it at first was to come to terms with the fact that the franchise I loved wasn't represented in the reboot, it really has allowed me to enjoy the movies for what they are as opposed to being upset over what they're not... and then I squee a little bit when there's a reference or head-nod to the Star Trek series that I really care about :D


This is also my take-away after seeing I/D. It was the action film I expected with all the drama, emotion and FX.

I wasn't wow-ed by it, but I don't condemn it. I'm still merely taking this "alternate" timeline with a grain of salt, at least for now. It has left me curious enough to see what the next film brings..

Foremost on my mind? We need a new series back on TV.
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Angel

Angelsilhouette

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 20 2013
And just think..

A whole generation of people will grow up with this version of Star Trek instead of the Original Series, Next Gen, DS9 or Voyager.

Later, many will look back at the aforementioned predecessors and think they sucked because they weren't anything like the movies with which they grew up.
Richard Kretzer

DarlEdrick

Re: Star Trek Into The Breakdown

May 20 2013
So...

the top 2 grevences are...

1. It's not Cronos, it's not Kronos, because The First City of the Klingon Imperial Empire is on the Planet Qo'Nos. (my God man, the language has it's own damn dictionary)

2. Peter "whine, cry, moan & complain" Weller... Why? After all the smack he talked about having to do Star Trek the first time playing a character on "Enterprise", why the hell would anyone want to fan that fire again?

And now the top 2 highlights...

1. Black Deltan Lesbians... you know you want them to create and entire series around them. and she can fly a starship and not crash it! YES GAWD!

2. Catians...(yes, i mean Kirk's 3 way) who knew Catians came in the Siamese variety. What cat owner doesn't let their cat's sleep in the bed?

and just because we are all thinking it... Spock's getting a little too Kirk crazy himself in this movie. What will Kirk's baby mama have to do to keep her man?

and one tiny P.S. - James Doohan's son is always on duty in the Transporter Room. NICE!


That's it, I've had it!
Edited May 20 2013 by DarlEdrick

Unknown Person

Re: Star Wars into Darkness - minor spoilers

May 20 2013
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So I just saw the new JJverse trek offering and it was great! It was an amazing Star Wars movie and I think he's going to be very happy at Disney.

Just to be a b*tch, here's what got my geek fluids flowing:
-Praxis about 40 years too soon
-Android on the bridge?
-Golden ridged Klingons
Richard Kretzer

DarlEdrick

Re: Star Wars into Darkness - minor spoilers

May 20 2013
His official name is Science Officer 0718.

It would stand to reason that if Admiral Marcus wanted to find the Botany Bay, then he would seek out Doctor Arik Soong's grandson, Noonian Soong, for more information.

Dr. Soong would then use this opportunity to promote his own research, and instead of being in seclusion on Omicron Theta, he's a prominent scientist at Starfleet instead.

If that were the case, then this is the 1st Generation Soong type Android
Angel

Angelsilhouette

Re: Star Wars into Darkness - minor spoilers

May 21 2013
Quote by SaintPlazma

Been obsesing over this I think it was a Bynar not an Android


Bynars always worked in pairs and were wee little purple people.
David

Keioel

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 21 2013
Saw the movie. AMAZING military science fiction...atrocious Star Trek movie. I mean no, just no...can't wait to see the next three Star Wars!!
Angel

Angelsilhouette

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 21 2013
I would say something about him doing to Star Wars what he did to Star Trek, but... Lucas already took care of that. xD
Brian Weir

Tamek

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 21 2013
I wonder if they can get Christopher Lloyd back for the next movie?

Unknown Person

Re: Star Wars into Darkness - minor spoilers

May 21 2013
Quote by Angelsilhouette
Quote by SaintPlazma

Been obsesing over this I think it was a Bynar not an Android


Bynars always worked in pairs and were wee little purple people.

Canon yes, but in some books if there 2nd half dies they work alone
Christopher

Telsekk

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 22 2013
I want to share with you my thoughts on this subject:
For those who liked the recent attempt at a Star Trek movie and those who haven't and want to throw Paramount some more money you may want to un-friend me now.

The "pioneering" director and writing team have lost the plot. The relationship between KSB (Kirk, Spock, Bones) is forced most of the time. They virtually ignored the 4th most important character in Star Trek THE USS ENTERPRISE. Captain "bedhead" Kirk's hair looks like there was a support staff strike. Like the first of the JJ movies, it is a visually striking movie which only serves to hide the fact that none of it makes sense. I think it's is a tell that they haven't broken the first movies box office numbers despite the corporate prostitution that went on. Final word on it, it's an action film dressed up to look like Star Trek. Should have named it Star Trek the Sequel: the Search for More Money (Love you Mel Brooks)
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DoctorDisaster

DoctorDisaster

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 23 2013
Good action scenes and some snappy one-liners, but the plot was idiotic and nothing to do with the villains made any sense from any angle. Whitewashing Khan was stupid and the sexist treatment of Carol Marcus was embarrassing. The fuss about "a big surprise" that everyone guessed immediately the first time they saw the first teaser was obnoxious as hell, too.

I didn't hate it and I'm no purist -- I liked the last movie a lot -- but I really don't understand why some people think it's great. My best guess is that there was a lot of throwaway nerd catnip like the line about Gorn octuplets. Funny, but no substitute for a good movie.
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Richard Kretzer

DarlEdrick

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 23 2013
for those not happy with the movie, thankfully, you have alternatives.



Star Trek: The Middle School Musical, coming soon to Disney Channel!
Edited May 23 2013 by DarlEdrick
Brian Weir

Tamek

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 24 2013
I shall do my best never to irk you lol
Zander Hawk

Zander_Hawk

Re: Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 27 2013
Quote by Voleron
I think that some people's disappointment with this movie (as others have said), is because in large part, they're hoping for the traditional Star Trek that they remember.

After seeing the first movie, I realized that for me to be able to enjoy the new series, I could no longer think of the J.J. movies as the Star Trek I'd come to know and love; the two are completely different and separate things in my mind, despite them having the same name. They're just movies designed to cast as wide of a net as possible, in order to bring in the biggest audience and net the most money, without challenging social norms or providing hope for the future, beyond the potential for good looking guys in their early thirties to be sailing through space, representing Earth behind the wheel of a Trillion dollar space ship.

As heart-wrenching as it at first was to come to terms with the fact that the franchise I loved wasn't represented in the reboot, it really has allowed me to enjoy the movies for what they are as opposed to being upset over what they're not... and then I squee a little bit when there's a reference or head-nod to the Star Trek series that I really care about :D

I can always justify inconsistencies with the alternate timeline mumbo-jumbo. I just don't take it seriously, and it allows me to be happy with the entertainment, while I wait for a real Star Trek series to make it's way back to TV.




I can almost understand the studio's frustration with the Trek franchise, though. Trekkies and Trekkers are notoriously difficult people to please, so when how many movies (Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis come to mind), which were all met with stiff opposition from the Trek community, and their new television series (Enterprise) was so unsupported by Trek fans to the point that it had to be cancelled, it makes sense for them to have thrown their hands up in exasperation and try to make the franchise appeal to a wider audience. In a sense, it could almost be argued that Star Trek fans have done this to themselves.

In fairness, I also refused to watch Enterprise when it was on TV, so I'm as much to blame as anyone... now a few years later, I've bought and watched the series and enjoyed it immensely. There was a lot of good Trek in that series, but I couldn't let myself see it at the time.

I guess, in conclusion.. go see James Bond: In space (aka: Star Trek), and I think you'll still enjoy it ;)


So true.

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Gareth

psyche1701

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 27 2013
Like most Trekkies, I looked forward to this film for literally *years!* Loved the 2009 reboot and was hungry for more in its successor but... it just all felt a bit hollow. Like it was all about the CGI, 'major events' and setpieces and less about actual character interactions, developments and growth. :(


*SPOILER WARNING*


The first half of the film, I was actually enjoying but then there's a moment about halfway and it all seems to be downhill from there. Seen it twice now with huge expectations both times, and felt really deflated by the end.

And is it just me but what about thousands of deaths at Starfleet HQ at the end and literally no comment from any character about that?!! Oh, hang on.. it's OK they were CGI-effects deaths and they dont count!!

I was going to make a 3rd cinema trip to see it - but literally cannot be bothered (and I saw 2009 Star Trek 7 times on the big screen, I loved it that much!) I'll watch it again when I get the bluray and MAYBE to watch it without such huge expectations, at which point I hope to actually enjoy it more!

Unknown Person

Re: Star Trek Into Disappointment (spoilers abound)

May 28 2013
I was very scared to see this film based on the mixed reviews I'd heard from friends and people in vent. I didn't even read this thread until today for fear of spoilers. I didn't read any spoilers online either I wanted to be as unbiased as I could when I finally saw the film which I did this last Saturday. I was pleasantly surprised to find that I didn't hate the film I actually did enjoy it.

I agree that Star Trek fans are very much the hardest to please and yeah maybe Paramount is basically telling us to stick our critiques up our collective plasma manifolds by dumbing down what Star Trek is all about for a less particular audience.

I am also taking the alt-timeline story with a grain of salt (or should I say salt on the rim, bartender another Margarita por favor!) but I just try not to compare it too much to what I grew up on because they're different and that's ok. Some things I loved and a couple things did bother me:

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Edited May 28 2013 by Unknown Person